Oh dear, here we went (sic) again. The question about Europe.
We got all the usual guff about how Britain can’t survive without being in the E.E.C again last night.
The dimwit from the SNP bleated on about how Scotland might want independence referendum again, because they didn’t want a ‘leave’ vote in England to drag Scotland out if they don’t want to.
And the insidious notion that ‘we need to educate’ people about Europe.
She was asked if she thought that there was an inconsistency and hypocrisy in the position that Scotland should be independent, whilst wanting to remain in the E.E.C. Empire and be ruled by Brussels.
It was lost on her. Or so she made out.
But she let slip a wry smile that gave the game away; she knew she'd been caught out with the truth there and had no answer.
Run along and put the kettle on love.
Well, let’s make it real simple for these people and burst their little bubble.
Firstly, Britain survived quite well before the common market and would do just as well without it now.
They need us more than we need them; just look around you at all the shiny new BMW, Audi, Porsche, VW and Mercedes cars on the roads of Britain.
Not to mention all the French, Italian and Spanish cars.
Does anyone seriously believe that they’re going to refuse to sell any of their cars to us if we leave?
Get real.
Oh and we could build trains here, like we used to and Siemens could build them for someone else instead.
Nature abhors a vacuum and something will fill any gap in the market where there is an opportunity.
Put simply, that means anything that Europe didn't want to deal with us in, someone else would, obviously.
Someone in the audience I think, mentioned Switzerland, saying couldn’t we be like them and the panel guffawed at the notion.
That says it all about the liberal elite.
How on earth they can dismiss Switzerland and keep a straight face I'll never know.
I mean come on, Switzerland; that old backwater of stagnation and decay.
I don't think they're doing too badly, thank you very much and not exactly a country or population most people can look down on.
Norway is also doing very well, thank you very much, also without the E.E.C.
Only two of the richest countries in the world there, continually refusing to join the E.E.C and doing exceptionally well without.
I’ll say it again; The E.E.C. is that good, they don’t want to join.
Besides everything else, there is the rest of the world to trade with. I know, they forget that.
Yes, the rest of the world which we can’t have trade deals with, because of the E.E.C.
However, like me, thankfully not everyone thinks it's just about the economy though, as somebody asked.
Indeed, why. Who cares?
Even if it all went pear shape financially in the event of Britain leaving, so what?
What about running the country for people instead of what corporations want.
What about what people want.
What about democracy, making our own laws and controlling our own borders.
There are so many problems with Europe and all the unelected, unaccountable officials implementing ‘European law’ which intrudes in to all our lives, in every way, every day and the best they can do is bleat on about the economy.
I couldn’t care less if cost Britain a King’s ransom to leave. So what, at least we’d have our country back.
This phoney issue the SNP keep bringing up about how it wouldn’t be right for Scotland to have to leave the E.E.C. if England votes to leave, but (somehow) the Scots vote to stay, really is annoying and pathetic at the same time.
In case anyone didn’t notice this is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Now, the last time I checked, that constituted a sovereign nation state.
And if my memory serves me correctly, the Scots had a vote on independence about a year ago. In which they voted ‘No’ and thus by definition, decided to remain a part of that sovereign nation of Great Britain.
Since we will be having a referendum of the nation on the issue of Europe, how and why does anyone draw the conclusion that somehow Scotland will present its own answer to somehow ‘play off’ against another regions decision?
We’re not having regional elections and results, it’s a poll of the whole country; one vote, one answer.
As for the ridiculous position of Scotland wanting independence yet to remain part of another super state, I'E. Europe, you couldn’t make it up.
So they want independence from the rest of Great Britain and if/when they get it, they’re going to sign up to the E.E.C. only to adopt and obey all their laws and rulings.
Some independence that is!
How ironic then, that it’s exactly why most people want to leave the E.E.C. in the first place; to be independent.
To make our own laws, decide ourselves how we want to weigh and measure things, our own trade deals and foreign policy.
And decide for ourselves who we let in our country or not.
Now, as you know (see Outline Position under 'Articles', at top of page) this site refuses to even give the E.E.C. credibility by calling it the ‘EU’, but that’s what they call themselves. The European Union.
But the clue is in the name. Just like they (the SNP) talk about ‘unionists’ in this country, as their opponents and just as we have the Union flag, they want to leave one union only to join another.
Surely this inconsistency which is rarely pointed out to them (and never by the liberal media) cannot be lost on them.
I think they’re just thick skinned and brazenly toughing it out if anyone dares to even suggest it.
That’s got to be it; no one can be that stupid to not see the nonsense of leaving the British union, only to join the ‘European Union’, surely.
As for we need to ‘educate’ people about Europe, simply read ‘brainwash.’
Why have the pro-European lobby got the god given right to give people the alleged ‘facts’.
And on what grounds are they right and somehow have all the facts?
Nonsense.
Vote with your conscience and instinct, there’s nothing wrong with that. (See blog, A couple more pro-European myths, debunked 9/11/15).
You can guess now whose facts they’ll be anyway.
Some members of the panel did mention the benefits of being in Europe.
Funnily enough though, without actually naming any.
Because there aren’t any.
Being as we’re one of the biggest net contributors to the E.E.C. apart from the fact that any ‘investment’ from Europe we do get is our own money, at the end of the day we're still an overall net loser.
We can trade with Europe and more importantly the rest of the world without having to be in a political union with anyone.
Why are all these people so frightened of Britain taking control of its own affairs again?
They’re either on the gravy train or want to get on it; simple as that.
Well, we know they're on it and the payroll of big business, lets be honest here.
Vote to leave the E.E.C. if and when you get the chance and show the liberal elite where to get off.
W.J.J.
We got all the usual guff about how Britain can’t survive without being in the E.E.C again last night.
The dimwit from the SNP bleated on about how Scotland might want independence referendum again, because they didn’t want a ‘leave’ vote in England to drag Scotland out if they don’t want to.
And the insidious notion that ‘we need to educate’ people about Europe.
She was asked if she thought that there was an inconsistency and hypocrisy in the position that Scotland should be independent, whilst wanting to remain in the E.E.C. Empire and be ruled by Brussels.
It was lost on her. Or so she made out.
But she let slip a wry smile that gave the game away; she knew she'd been caught out with the truth there and had no answer.
Run along and put the kettle on love.
Well, let’s make it real simple for these people and burst their little bubble.
Firstly, Britain survived quite well before the common market and would do just as well without it now.
They need us more than we need them; just look around you at all the shiny new BMW, Audi, Porsche, VW and Mercedes cars on the roads of Britain.
Not to mention all the French, Italian and Spanish cars.
Does anyone seriously believe that they’re going to refuse to sell any of their cars to us if we leave?
Get real.
Oh and we could build trains here, like we used to and Siemens could build them for someone else instead.
Nature abhors a vacuum and something will fill any gap in the market where there is an opportunity.
Put simply, that means anything that Europe didn't want to deal with us in, someone else would, obviously.
Someone in the audience I think, mentioned Switzerland, saying couldn’t we be like them and the panel guffawed at the notion.
That says it all about the liberal elite.
How on earth they can dismiss Switzerland and keep a straight face I'll never know.
I mean come on, Switzerland; that old backwater of stagnation and decay.
I don't think they're doing too badly, thank you very much and not exactly a country or population most people can look down on.
Norway is also doing very well, thank you very much, also without the E.E.C.
Only two of the richest countries in the world there, continually refusing to join the E.E.C and doing exceptionally well without.
I’ll say it again; The E.E.C. is that good, they don’t want to join.
Besides everything else, there is the rest of the world to trade with. I know, they forget that.
Yes, the rest of the world which we can’t have trade deals with, because of the E.E.C.
However, like me, thankfully not everyone thinks it's just about the economy though, as somebody asked.
Indeed, why. Who cares?
Even if it all went pear shape financially in the event of Britain leaving, so what?
What about running the country for people instead of what corporations want.
What about what people want.
What about democracy, making our own laws and controlling our own borders.
There are so many problems with Europe and all the unelected, unaccountable officials implementing ‘European law’ which intrudes in to all our lives, in every way, every day and the best they can do is bleat on about the economy.
I couldn’t care less if cost Britain a King’s ransom to leave. So what, at least we’d have our country back.
This phoney issue the SNP keep bringing up about how it wouldn’t be right for Scotland to have to leave the E.E.C. if England votes to leave, but (somehow) the Scots vote to stay, really is annoying and pathetic at the same time.
In case anyone didn’t notice this is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Now, the last time I checked, that constituted a sovereign nation state.
And if my memory serves me correctly, the Scots had a vote on independence about a year ago. In which they voted ‘No’ and thus by definition, decided to remain a part of that sovereign nation of Great Britain.
Since we will be having a referendum of the nation on the issue of Europe, how and why does anyone draw the conclusion that somehow Scotland will present its own answer to somehow ‘play off’ against another regions decision?
We’re not having regional elections and results, it’s a poll of the whole country; one vote, one answer.
As for the ridiculous position of Scotland wanting independence yet to remain part of another super state, I'E. Europe, you couldn’t make it up.
So they want independence from the rest of Great Britain and if/when they get it, they’re going to sign up to the E.E.C. only to adopt and obey all their laws and rulings.
Some independence that is!
How ironic then, that it’s exactly why most people want to leave the E.E.C. in the first place; to be independent.
To make our own laws, decide ourselves how we want to weigh and measure things, our own trade deals and foreign policy.
And decide for ourselves who we let in our country or not.
Now, as you know (see Outline Position under 'Articles', at top of page) this site refuses to even give the E.E.C. credibility by calling it the ‘EU’, but that’s what they call themselves. The European Union.
But the clue is in the name. Just like they (the SNP) talk about ‘unionists’ in this country, as their opponents and just as we have the Union flag, they want to leave one union only to join another.
Surely this inconsistency which is rarely pointed out to them (and never by the liberal media) cannot be lost on them.
I think they’re just thick skinned and brazenly toughing it out if anyone dares to even suggest it.
That’s got to be it; no one can be that stupid to not see the nonsense of leaving the British union, only to join the ‘European Union’, surely.
As for we need to ‘educate’ people about Europe, simply read ‘brainwash.’
Why have the pro-European lobby got the god given right to give people the alleged ‘facts’.
And on what grounds are they right and somehow have all the facts?
Nonsense.
Vote with your conscience and instinct, there’s nothing wrong with that. (See blog, A couple more pro-European myths, debunked 9/11/15).
You can guess now whose facts they’ll be anyway.
Some members of the panel did mention the benefits of being in Europe.
Funnily enough though, without actually naming any.
Because there aren’t any.
Being as we’re one of the biggest net contributors to the E.E.C. apart from the fact that any ‘investment’ from Europe we do get is our own money, at the end of the day we're still an overall net loser.
We can trade with Europe and more importantly the rest of the world without having to be in a political union with anyone.
Why are all these people so frightened of Britain taking control of its own affairs again?
They’re either on the gravy train or want to get on it; simple as that.
Well, we know they're on it and the payroll of big business, lets be honest here.
Vote to leave the E.E.C. if and when you get the chance and show the liberal elite where to get off.
W.J.J.
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